Comments on: The Clergy Driven Church – Part 1 http://armyofpriests.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/ "Christians should be troublemakers, Creaters of uncertianty, Agents of a dimension incompatable with society." - Jacques Ellul Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:27:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Sherri Kish http://armyofpriests.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-164 Sherri Kish Tue, 26 Jun 2007 03:25:46 +0000 http://godssamurai.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-164 I was so happy to find someone agreeing with the cry of my heart. I can no longer attend such meetings and am desperate to find a community of believers in Mpls. Mn where all can come to share what God is teaching them. I especially feel that the present system is detremental to God's command to fathers to teach their own children...Deut.6:7-"You shall teach them diligently to your children...The acceptable norm is to bring your children to church to hear the Word of God. I think that every man sitting in a pew should be held accountable for being the priest of his own home. What a travesty that a man should be allowed to miss such an honored calling in passing the baton to his own inheritance. Most men see themselves as ill-equipped and don't have a clue. I believe that a pastor's role could be used to inspire the men of his congregation to rise to their scriptural calling. I was so happy to find someone agreeing with the cry of my heart. I can no longer attend such meetings and am desperate to find a community of believers in Mpls. Mn where all can come to share what God is teaching them. I especially feel that the present system is detremental to God’s command to fathers to teach their own children…Deut.6:7-”You shall teach them diligently to your children…The acceptable norm is to bring your children to church to hear the Word of God. I think that every man sitting in a pew should be held accountable for being the priest of his own home. What a travesty that a man should be allowed to miss such an honored calling in passing the baton to his own inheritance. Most men see themselves as ill-equipped and don’t have a clue. I believe that a pastor’s role could be used to inspire the men of his congregation to rise to their scriptural calling.

]]> By: The Radical Christian: Place in Ecclesiology « Becoming God’s Samurai http://armyofpriests.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-74 The Radical Christian: Place in Ecclesiology « Becoming God’s Samurai Wed, 09 May 2007 22:31:37 +0000 http://godssamurai.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-74 [...] The result is a Christianity in which “the ears are the only organs of a Christian” (Luther – something he thought was good). This ecclesiology of Church creates a comfortable Christianity. The common problems with the “Clergy Driven” Church are outlined here. [...] [...] The result is a Christianity in which “the ears are the only organs of a Christian” (Luther – something he thought was good). This ecclesiology of Church creates a comfortable Christianity. The common problems with the “Clergy Driven” Church are outlined here. [...]

]]> By: Bob Simes http://armyofpriests.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-52 Bob Simes Thu, 19 Apr 2007 18:46:55 +0000 http://godssamurai.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-52 I think that is one subject that I've preached more about in the last ten years than any other. The song goes "If we are the body, why aren't His arms moving, ..." All of us have a part to do to keep the church (that's the people not the building) moving in the direction God wants us to move. When Jesus said to go forth and teach all nations He was not just speaking to the apostles, but to everyone who has ever read or heard those words. In our church (Prsebyterian) by the rules the only thing I am responsible for is the sermon and the hymns. The Session (the ruling elders) are responsible for the rest of it, but I do end up in the middle much of the time. Since one of the requirements to be a Presbyterian is a poor singing voice (;o) we don't have a small group leading the singing so that's not a problem. I try and get someone from the congregation involved in part of the service every Sunday, usually with the Minute for Missions. But, more importantly, the entire congregation is involved in reaching out and inviting in visitors, showing them the love of God, and accepting everyone with open arms. We have a supper/fellowship time on Wednesday before Bible Study, and trying to get everyone to be quiet so we can start the service (or get them off the front porch afterward) does lead to a lot of interaction. But to end this, I have to admit that the picture you paint is too often the norm. I think that is one subject that I’ve preached more about in the last ten years than any other. The song goes “If we are the body, why aren’t His arms moving, …” All of us have a part to do to keep the church (that’s the people not the building) moving in the direction God wants us to move. When Jesus said to go forth and teach all nations He was not just speaking to the apostles, but to everyone who has ever read or heard those words. In our church (Prsebyterian) by the rules the only thing I am responsible for is the sermon and the hymns. The Session (the ruling elders) are responsible for the rest of it, but I do end up in the middle much of the time. Since one of the requirements to be a Presbyterian is a poor singing voice (;o) we don’t have a small group leading the singing so that’s not a problem. I try and get someone from the congregation involved in part of the service every Sunday, usually with the Minute for Missions. But, more importantly, the entire congregation is involved in reaching out and inviting in visitors, showing them the love of God, and accepting everyone with open arms. We have a supper/fellowship time on Wednesday before Bible Study, and trying to get everyone to be quiet so we can start the service (or get them off the front porch afterward) does lead to a lot of interaction. But to end this, I have to admit that the picture you paint is too often the norm.

]]> By: satisfiedhousewife http://armyofpriests.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-34 satisfiedhousewife Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:25:57 +0000 http://godssamurai.wordpress.com/2007/03/01/the-clergy-driven-church-part-1/#comment-34 Good post. I found your blog through Andrea's blog and I like what I see so far. Keep it up! I wish there could be a "new" reformation that would go back to the book of Acts church, and be the church that God made us to be so that the world could be saved! Blessings, Jen Good post. I found your blog through Andrea’s blog and I like what I see so far. Keep it up! I wish there could be a “new” reformation that would go back to the book of Acts church, and be the church that God made us to be so that the world could be saved!

Blessings,
Jen

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